I truthfully don’t think this bridge will work long-term because it’s rather clunky for the end users. I think mastodon needs an integration built into their platform so instances can have the choice to turn on a two way atProto connection that creates accounts under the instance identity and writes and reads post to atProto.
Bluesky doesn’t need to adjust anything as they’ll pick up anything written to atProto.
Aren’t identities already decentralized by using domains you own as your identity? Ex. Incase you’re unfamiliar, my Bluesky @ is my domain I own.
Instances aren’t necessarily a thing in atProto because an instance usually refers to a single server. But you can see people’s posts from selfhosted PDS/relays yes.
If you can build your own or selfhost each of the following to read and push back to all of the atProto protocol:
App
Backend Relay
Moderation
Algorithm
And you still say that’s not decentralized I’m not sure what you’re looking for nor what your definition of decentralization is.
Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there’s a single point of control for the brand.
You’d need to expand on this more for me to understand you. Yes there’s a single point of control from a moderation standpoint (labeler), as there is on Lemmy instances. But anyone can host their own ATProto relays and the Bluesky relay will federate with each other automatically.
If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says “of we’re not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we’re doing” everyone will still be on bluesky.
Not necessarily because the accounts are atProto accounts and you can migrate to another platform(albeit another doesn’t exist yet) without data loss. As far as the Bluesky app goes it really just shows you atProto posts and hosts your data (similar to Lemmy instances) they as an entity just also maintain the OSS backend Relay crawler and more.
I really think a lot of people have this perspective that it’s not decentralized just because it truly is a lot more complicated due to there being like 5 different moving pieces of decentralization (PDS, Relay, Appview, tbd labeler, algorithm) and they do a great job at obscuring it for regular users which is a great thing. And nobody has really tinkered around and set-up any sites or integrations with it yet. I’m personally trying to get a two way mastodon integration as it’s possible but nobody has done a solid implementation (just somewhat gnarly bridges between protocols)
This isn’t necessarily true. Just because their architecture is harder and not a simple server host does not strip away its decentralization.
They have decentralized the following:
App access (can build your own or show openProto posts in your platform
Algorithms
Relay (backend albeit rumored to be expensive)
More if you consider the domain name hosting stuff and media storage control. Also moderation is planned to be decentralized.
Would love for you to describe exactly how it’s more complicated. From my perspective I click a single button and it’s set up. To log in I get a notification on my device, I click a button and I’m logged in.
Also the people talking about added complexity? I’m convinced all the complaints are from people who haven’t set one up or used one and are immediately writing it off. Adding one is a single click of a button.
Then to sign in I literally just get a thumbprint request on my phone after entering my username. It’s far far simpler than passwords and MFA.
I have passkeys setup for almost everything and on most sites I just enter my username then I get a request on my phone to sign in. Scan my thumbprint and it’s good to go. It’s actually so much simpler than passwords / MFA, but admittedly I haven’t had to migrate devices or platforms.
I have everything setup through protonpass right now
Like a apple TV / Roku which then… Reports everything you’re watching and or viewing. We truly live in the day and age where nothing you do digitally is private, and it’s almost turned into privacy via aggregation imo now since the PBs of raw data isn’t really worth it for major corporations.
Obvs if you’re the .0001% I’m sure the NSA can tap into it and you’re still gonna be fucked that way, but that can be said for pretty much any digital device.
Yeah 3.5 was pretty ass w bugs but could write basic code. 4o helped me sometimes with bugs and was definitely better, but would get caught in loops sometimes. This new o1 preview model seems pretty cracked all around though lol
As much as people around these parts despise algorithmic feeds, I suspect an algorithmic feed would’ve worked far better in this situation to feed all academic based content to someone immediately on account creation if they show interest/ follow peers in the field.
This would’ve helped the migration since they most likely don’t know the accounts of the Twitter accounts posting academic content as that was algorithmically fed as well. I’m really doubtful it’s a problem with decentralization, seems to me mastodon had a problem with both not having a critical mass and the content that was there wasn’t easy enough to find.
Personally really been enjoying Kagi for the past year.
As a heavy tiktok user I would probably only use this if it had an algorithmic feed.
The article talks about why they’d prefer to shut down if you take their word it. Essentially the US is such a tiny portion of ByteDances revenue, it would be more optimal to shut down then to risk the sale of their algorithm. Assuming they’re using relatively similar algorithms on Douyin, and they don’t want whoever they sell to to turn around and sell to their Chinese competition, which is where the real money is being made for ByteDance.
I can see a social media implementation of a communities section and feeding off lemmy that way. Essentially cloning reddit through their users and using lemmy communities content as a Kickstarter tool.
Realistically this graph wouldn’t include Snapchat, as it’s less of a “social media” than the others. Most people nowadays use it strictly as a messaging platform.
Spam implies it’s useless but it seems I can read my content from Reddit on that instance? While also staying on a single app and getting my regular lemmy threads.
Not sure why it’s a problem other than resource intensity, if the users have the option to block an instance as a whole it’s fine.
I don’t agree with them creating bot accounts and commenting on other instances posts though. Everything should be maintained within the instance.
The app experience is much better than the browser experience imo
While they definitely do this for handles I’m pretty confident this is also done for DIDs (Decentralized identifiers) and it doesn’t provide a solution if you lose your domain. I think Bluesky (Appview) specifically gets around this by also tying your DID:web to your DID:plc, in case of domain loss. So I think it exists on the protocol but they don’t automatically utilize the decentralization for end-user experience(domain loss) but other appviews can. But I could be wrong.
https://atproto.com/specs/did