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Meta’s lead for Threads, Adam Mosseri, was head of Facebook’s News Feed and Interfaces departments during that long, warning-heavy lead-up to the genocide of the Rohingya in Myanmar. After the worst of the violence was over, Mosseri noted on a podcast that he’d lost some sleep over it.

I agree that some of what Evan characterised as Small Fedi isn’t about small for small’s sake, it’s more about the view you describe – what L. Rhodes calls “networked communities”. Of course, the consequences of this result in slower growth than the Big Fedi view, so a smaller network in the short-to-medium term, so from his perspective I can see why I chose this framing.

I can see why he chose it, but I still don’t agree with it. It’s not a forgone conclusion that it will end up small if someone doesn’t federate with threads. It’s still growing slower, but it could hit huge now that all of the kinks are getting worked out. One more x fuck up and tweak to mastodon that makes it more user friendly, it could take off. I think people are okay with it taking off, just on fediverse terms, not evil company terms.

I’m having trust issues with them. I had an issue with them in their support community where they most likely deleted comments and then wouldn’t own up, and now I’m at another instance. I would have left when they said they wouldn’t defederate threads anyway. Leaving isn’t that hard. If .19 gets figured out, you’re supposed to be able to leave easily as well.

In one of the comments in the original Big Fedi, Small Fedi

by Badri December 27, 2023 at 1:06 am

@evanprodromou this is interesting! I think I agree with many of the points on both the “Big Fedi” and “Small Fedi” sides. It would be interesting to list them as a sort of multiple-select quiz (maybe without the big/small fedi headings) and see which combinations of points people end up selecting.

What I really hope is that there’s some way for people from both clusters (and those stuck in between) to coexist. Can the Big Fedi people connect with everyone they want to, while the Small Fedi folk keep their comfortable distance and protect their safe spaces?

I think most of what Evan listed as Small Fedi aren’t really about the small, they’re about the sense of trust and the trust that we can defederate successfully if things go terribly wrong. I really don’t have any opinion about any of the others trying to join except the known shitty, evil companies.

I also agree with the bolded part. Do we have a way to take polls and mix up all that everyone wants? It would be interesting to see what is most important to most fediverse users.

I’m going to have to trust you because I’m not going back there to check.

You have to pay to post pics? When did that happen?

I have other concerns about lemmy world, you might want to look for another instance and see how you like it.

You seem to think that slowly growing is bad, I think it’s great. We can get better and better at handling everything and then we’re ready if another great exodus happens.

Absolutely, but there are constructive ways to do it and what that guy did.

Dude, lemmy is awesome, give them a break.

What are the reasons you don’t want to use Mastodon?

and it might be less of a waste of time to focus on how to ensure the protocol itself works against bad faith actors gaining too much power

Meta is one of the worst, if not the worst, bad actors on the internet. That would be like inviting serial killers into your home so you’ll know how to handle a loud neighbor next time they’re loud.

And like I said above, it’s not like there isn’t potential benefits to that.

Okay, name one besides an influx of too many users and no content.

We have over a million users here, it’s likely that 100s are going to follow 100s. That’s not that many.

Right, we’re agreeing. That could still be millions even if the 160 million isn’t true.

I think you’re sincere about wanting to federate. I don’t agree at all and I think you’re being naive about them trying to take over, there is a shit ton of astroturfing going on in these threads, but wanting the fediverse to grow isn’t a bad thing…

I hate and don’t trust Meta, so the main benefit for me would be the ability to follow Threads users from my nonprofit, ad free, tracker free, Mastodon account I already have. I don’t want an account with Meta.

That is the first actual benefit I’ve seen, lol. I won’t be following any threads users, so it wouldn’t be a benefit. I also don’t know a single soul that is a threads user either.

AFAIK, there is only one Threads.net

That’s not how it works. When you’re federated together, you get a copy of every post on your server. Someone else said that that can be avoided, but I doubt threads will do anything in the other instance’s favor unless they get something out of it.

You know a lot about the infrastructure of activity pub.

What are the benefits of letting Meta stay federated?

Threads already has 160 million users.

That’s weird, these numbers aren’t taken into account on that graph: Threads’ user base has plummeted more than 80%. Meta’s app ended July with just 8 million daily active users.

I think we should encourage politicians, governments and public figures to either self host or use non-threads instances. That way, Threads cannot easily shut off AP support or screw around too badly or their own content will decline.

Yes to this and defederate as well.