• secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Why does anyone still use reddit? Why does anyone still use Twitter? Why does anyone still use Instagram?

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      Reddit has an absolutely massive wealth of community knowledge. If you want to find a community for $thing or gain obscure knowledge on $thing, that’s where you go (assuming there isn’t an old forum post from before Reddit killed forums).

      Twitter is where a lot of people still are. If you’re the kind of person to care what a particular person says, that’s where you probably want to be.

      Instagram is used by young people who have friends on Instagram.

      It isn’t a great system, but it is the system that we have today. This is why legislation compelling Meta/Twitter/whothefuckever to act in an ethical manner is important. Social media is to some extent a natural oligopoly, and unless we get extremely, extremely lucky, the fediverse will always be a niche community.

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      because their friends are there

      or in reddit’s case, because they think their friends are there

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      I agree, but what the Irish are doing is dumb. If reddit it hit with that, then so should Google and the whole of the internet, since everything can get you videos. No one should be in charge of sensoring the internet.

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      He’s such a disgusting greedy little pig boy who frankly belongs in a deep hole where nobody will find him 🙏

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            Does he know that his net worth will be reduced to either his useful skills, or whatever the next guy gains by killing him and taking his stuff?

            Seriously, you better have something real useful for your bodyguards, because they’re probably the first ones that’ll turn on you.

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              There was some legit talk among the wealthy a while back about how to control their slaves servants… and the idea of bomb collars was floated…

              I can’t find the article at the moment (I’ll edit when I do because I’m still looking but my app tends to crash if I wait), but this is all totally on the up and up and it’s really fucking depressing that there are so many articles now about doomsday bunkers for the ultra wealthy… like they could have just pumped that money into fixing things but they don’t want to… sociopaths.

              Edit- found it faster than I thought!

              https://archive.ph/l3Djh

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            I love this idea of billionaires making bunkers. Pretty sure I can afford the quikrete and wheelbarrows needed to make this a better world.

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      Absolutely fuck spez.

      But he’s right here. Just because he’s a fuckstick doesn’t mean he’s always wrong on every issue 100% of the time.

      Various forms of censorship under the flag of ‘online safety’ have been pushed by governments since the internet began to exist. And before that with print media and television. Censorship is not the answer. Never was. First it was for porn, then it was for video games, then it was for hate speech, it’s always something.

      But in the words of Captain Jean-Luc Picard,

      “With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.”

      Censorship must be opposed.

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        I disagree since I think censorship can be desired when combatting hate speech. Maybe we just disagree how exactly we use the word ‘censorship’.

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          Who would you have define hate speech in the US? SCOTUS?

          Many citizens may agree on the definition, but I wouldn’t trust our government to draw those lines.

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            Many countries have working anti-hate speech laws. It’s not really a big problem for freedom of speech in those countries.

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              Those countries don’t have partisan polarization propaganda preschoolers writing their legislation.

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        It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.

        Yeh, fuck censorship. Let’s all be shitbags and do that stuff instead!

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          To be fair, censorship on Reddit is already very very aggressive. I was banned for saying “yay” on a news thread about the death of the queen.

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    It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.

    Wow, what a horrible, restraining overreach.

    I am shedding tears for the 1.2% engagement loss this would cost Reddit next quarter. Imagine what they have to pay devs for filtering abusive videos!

    (I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content? Which they already do for anything that actually costs them any profit).

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      They would have to hire a shitload of people to police it all along with the rest of the questionable shit on there, like jailbait or whatever other shit they turned a blind eye to until it showed up on the news

      Not saying it’s right but from a business standpoint it makes sense

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        Don’t they flag stuff automatically?

        Not sure what they’re using on the backend, but open source LLMs that take image inputs are good now. Like, they can read garbled text from a meme and interpret it with context, easily. And this is apparently a field thats been refined over years due to the legal need for CSAM detection anyway.

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          They do, but they’d still need someone to go through the flagging and check. Reddit gets away with it as it is like Facebook groups do, by offloading the moderation to users, with the admins only being roped in for ostensibly big things like ban evasion/site wide bans, or lately, if the moderators don’t toe the company line exactly.

          I doubt that they would use an LLM for that. That’s very expensive and slow, especially for the volume of images that they would need to process. Existing CSAM detectors aren’t as expensive, and are faster. They basically compute a hash for the image, and compare it to known hashes for CSAM.

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      Well…the problem is reddit’s size.

      I’m not part of reddit anymore because they filtered me out for abusive content.

      The content that was so abusive? I told a story on /r/Cleveland about the time 35 years ago I got my bike stolen.

      I wasn’t accusing any current reddit user of being the theif. But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.

      We don’t even know if that guy who stole my bike 35 years ago is even still alive, much less an active redditor on /r/Cleveland. So who am I being abusive to, when I say it’s a bad idea to let strangers ride your bike without some kind of assurance you’ll get it back?

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        I got banned when I told a literal Nazi, that said that literal Jews should die, should drink bleach to purify their genes before they contaminated the genepool.

        I still stand by it. my grandfather fucked up Nazis, and I’ll fuck up Nazis too.

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        Fair. +1

        But also, that just sounds like they’re cheaping out on content filtering. And, you know, kinda broke the enthusiastic community moderation that made it great in the first place.

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          Yes, that’s true. This all happened like 3 weeks after they went public IPO. I didn’t buy it, because I thought reddit had a decent chance of falling on it’s ass on the free market. It’s a 10+ year old company that’s never made a profit. It’s reasonable to assume it might fail.

          3 weeks after I declined, and they went public, I suddenly get 3 temporary bans in a week, and the 3rd one was a permanent ban. All by autobots.

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            Yeah same here, the last post I made was to argue for more disabled access to European historical sites n the r/europe subreddit.

            After everything I’ve posted, THAT is what got me banned.

            After loosing my appeal, I changed all my prior posts to AI generated gibberish.

            Fuck Reddit, salt your posts so they can’t use your content to make money on search or train AI.

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              I wish I could, but I have hundreds of thousands if not millions of comments.

              Look at my time here, and now look at how many comments I have here, and know that I am running at MAYBE 5% of my posting capacity.

              Lemmy just is barren of content if you don’t care about politics, linux, or star trek.

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        Well…the problem is reddit’s size.

        They’ve never been shy about targeting certain subs and communities for shutdown when it suits their commercial interests. This has nothing to do with size and everything to do with the nature of the content itself.

        These videos are pure clickbait. They feed engagement. They build up lots of enthusiasm both among content providers and active users. And, as a consequence, they make the company money.

        But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.

        Bots will flag any post purely based on keyword searches and AI parsing of sentiment. Its got nothing to do with your actual statement. But it also depends heavily on who you are, where you post, and how often other users flag you. Very possibly you simply got “Report” flagged a bunch of times by other users for some reason and that - plus a naive parsing - was all the AI bot needed to know.

        But I’ll also bet the post wasn’t getting thousands of unique interactions and external visits. If you’d been a power-poster who was posting a face-cam rant rather than a text blob, I suspect you’d have been fine.

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        same with me and /r/Toronto got banned for stating a long dead prime minister was horrible to indigenous people. they used the excuse that I was submitting too many articles about crimes in the city as that subreddit’s mods automatically remove any content about crime or pro Palestinian content.

        Post god knows how many photos of the CN tower, the fucking sun setting or snow…hey that’s great! anything that’s news worthy and potentially paints the city in a bad light? nope, censored. It’s so bad that i’m convinced the mods there are being paid under the table by the City.

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        I’m gonna have to ask you to stop abusing whatever random reddit mod flagged you back then in case they might be here. Or else.

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          In 3 different unrelated subs, and all said to be performed as an automated action?

          Also of note, I got permabanned on May 7th.

          May 4th I joined Mastadon. Using the same email as my reddit email.

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      I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content?

      I guess it’s just enshittification. Profits are their first priority.

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      I’m a little surprised to hear people so willing to let the government of Ireland determine who they are allowed to hate and for what reasons.

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        Because at this point, I trust the Irish government more than Reddit to make proper moderation judgements.

        It’s not a high bar, and not ideal… but I feel social media’s raging internal issues have overshadowed the fear of governments worming their way inside, at least in my eyes.

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    Dear Netherlands,

    The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.

    Sincerely,

    Everyone else

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      You can almost hear the EU lawyers cracking their knuckles and quietly saying: “about that user data protection.”

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        Um… Did you read the article? It’s about moving their EU Headquarters from Ireland to the Netherlands. GDPR applied before and after. This is specifically about Irish censorship requirements.

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        Yeah, moving to the EU to escape regulation doesn’t seem like a smart move.

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    I‘m confused. Reddit claims it doesn’t host videos, just links to them but it absolutely does host videos.

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      All their media is hosted under the redditstatic domain, and as far as I can tell, that’s hosted on AWS. (There’s actually also a redditmedia domain, which they may also use, but that’s also on AWS).

      That probably means that Reddit can get away with saying they don’t host any of it. They merely point their web addresses at the third party host.

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        No, they really can’t. They own and operate the redditstatic domain and rent the server space from AWS. De jure that makes them the hoster.

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        They are responsible for that AWS account. No court in its right mind would think otherwise.

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        But they provide the methods of uploading, deleting and viewing the contents of that storage to their end users.
        So, it’s Reddits storage.

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      Not since the last half decade.

      edit: i read the comment backwards. oops.

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    Sounds like another case of US tech companies fucking with the web of EU regulations to nobody’s benefit but their own.

    It’s no wonder they moved to another tax haven. Sorry, sorry. The EU doesn’t have tax havens according to their own rules. Low tax threshold telegraphic jurisdictions.

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    Sounds like it’ll need blocked in Ireland then

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

    Fuck Spez

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      What’s the joke about? Does Ireland block everything that comes from the Netherlands?

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        It’s more a “If a company doesn’t comply with a coutry’s regulations then it can’t operate in that country” thing and not a joke.

        For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.

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          For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.

          Though the bigger part of that was that their representative quit, and by Brazilian law, companies that operate in Brazil must have a representative in the country.

          Twitter tried to sidestep that by not paying the fine, and also not having a representative, so the fine couldn’t be applied that way. In response, the judge presiding over the cause required Twitter be blocked.