So I thought about this in the shower amd it makes sense to me, like praying and stuff never worked for most people I know, so a direkt link to god gotta be unlikely. That made me conclude that religion is probably fake, no matter if there’s a god or not. Also people speaking to the same god being given a different set of rules sounds stupid, so at least most religions must be fake.

    • whotookkarl@lemmy.world
      3·
      5 months ago

      It’s not that intercessory prayer needs to work 100% to be convincing, it just needs to beat random chance and it doesn’t do that.

      Natural processes can describe how those things came to exist without needing to appeal to supernatural claims or gods.

      You’ve seen things you attribute to a god, but people in other religions attribute the same things to their god and so far I don’t think anyone has shown empirical evidence for any gods, and I don’t know about you but I use empirical evidence when changing my confidence on whether something or someone exists or doesn’t.

      Many people have a negative opinion on organized religion because we can see the negative effects believing things without sufficient evidence can have on individuals and communities.

            • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
              3·
              5 months ago

              So god never answers the prayers of atheists… sounds pointless.

              Predestination - sounds like you’re talking about god’s plan… why pray then? If it’s already in a plan, it’ll happen. If it’s not in the plan, it won’t.

              If god doesn’t allow his children to slip away, how do you explain the actual verifiable existence of atheists and people that formerly had religion?

                • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  5 months ago

                  Why would you worship a God that casts aside so many people and condemns them to hell? Sounds more like a Devil.

                • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  Well of course God won’t answer a prayer that would negatively affect one of his true followers.

                  No true Scotsman fallacy. Any time anyone can show someone praying for a negative thing against a follower you’ll simply say that they weren’t a “true follower”.

                • TheOakTree@lemm.ee
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  Well of course God won’t answer a prayer that would negatively affect one of his true followers.

                  …I’m not God, so I have made peace with the fact I will never understand that.

                  Could you share what makes you so confident in the first quote, despite what you say in the second quote? How can you know God would not or has not answered any prayers that negatively affected a true follower, and how can one define whether God has negatively affected a true follower when one cannot intimately know God’s true intentions?

      • Mr Fish@lemmy.world
        12·
        5 months ago

        Well you can, but that doesn’t mean God will do it. You’re asking a father, who loves his children, to remove their choice in the matter and force them away, despite him knowing it’s better for them to stay.