Ah yes of course. Both Meta and Bluesky have far outrun any federated-short-blogging effort of the Fediverse, and as a result companies will rather want to monetize those. But this is also the paradoxical situation of people in here who both want “the Fediverse to succeed” and “keep corporate interests out of the Fediverse”: Either won’t happen.

Right now it looks more like this’ll remain a hyper-specialized place for specific discussions, Mastodon more so. You can go there for false dichotomies in regards to browser development feedback for example, or for dejected Youtube actual-content-creators getting yelled at for engaging with their community.

But it seems it’ll stay at that. However, this also keeps any monetary interest away from it, so that’s good. Of course, should this ever change and the Fediverse grows more welcoming and that works and it grows bigger, of course the moment users move in (in numbers), advertisers, astroturfers and all will move in with them. That’s just a given.

And partially why I hate this “Just block’em!”-approach to Threads: It assumes the stick-your-fingers-into-your-ears-and-ignore-the-issue approach would ever be an actual solution to any problem. And then when you run into an issue you cannot avoid that way, you have fuck all experience doing something actionable about it, as you’ve never tried before.

You raise an interesting point. With web 2.0, we did the equivalent of all the fediverse stuff blocking meta. And look where that got us. Maybe it’s time for a different approach.

You realize the second part would also happen if the Fediverse “takes off”, yes? Then naturally companies would come in and trivially take things over as there’s money to be made.

It’s a natural end state until governments can be made to curb corporate freedom.

Damn their video introduction gives me 90s and early 2000s vibes. This is like those early 3D-rendered VR experiences on television.

Uh… what do you think we do when a client doesn’t pay us for a while? We yank their access. That’s how services work, you get a few warnings that you really need to pay or you’ll lose access and then, well, you lose access.

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Top one is Voyager for me but right below that is Lemmy world

That’s not at all the problem here, no

It has now been finalized as of yesterday, from what I understand. Previously it was a work-in-progress policy change they were still unsure about, and now it’s decided that this is the way going forward.

I reckon sadly at least part of the reason will be that they are in a partnership with OpenAI, and feeding generated stuff into a GenAI breaks the model, so they need to keep SO as non-AI as possible.

Okay, and how would you address it? The limitation is easy to criticize when you can think in a vacuum about it. But in the real world, we’d need to find a way to change things that can actually be implemented by everyone.

Which usually means transformative change.

Why did the Lemmy instances stopped upgrading the version they use?

They’ve done prod deployments in real life before and hence no longer believe in CD?

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Sure, but as long as modding is a volunteer position that won’t change. If for no other reason that like you say, it’s not a position that motivates you to investigate reports.

Couple that with how toxic and negative Lemmy is overall, and it doesn’t surprise me that the raw volume of reports will lead to a very high amount of “yeah, sure” bans with mininal investigation.

Plus the last part wasn’t meant as a “join in” thing, rather, if you desire an instance that does not abide by bad moderation, the fediverse puts the onus on you to create that instance. Everyone is free to do so, within some limitations such as - and that’s a very very valid thing - a need for adequate moderation tools.

That’s not a quick-start guide, that’s a novel.

Really, I need citations for a post that already provides an example?

The citation needed is about you saying its both rampant and oppressive, something the server logs don’t provide data for.

That’s actually a part of the problem. The complete lack of responsibility or accountability for anyone on here. Like it or not all it takes is a handful of self-righteous admins to ruin it for the entire platform. What you tout as a Good is quite the opposite in the long run.

But how is that different from any other website? Someone owns them, either an individual or a group. Naturally, they can just about do whatever they desire, including pulling the plug. And more specifically, how would you change that. Especially because:

1. You still need moderation and administration. If for no other reason than should you grow big enough, you got obligations to provide this in regards to illegal, hateful and discriminatory speech and disinformation in the EU.
2. Any moderation will sooner or later upset the moderated person.
3. Any arbitration for this will inevitably come upon a case - see this thread - where it makes someone else partisan to either side.

So you’ll have this problem anyways. No matter what you do. With Lemmy in particular… run your own instance if you desire full control of moderation. That’s what you get that way. Just be aware that there’s a solid chance someone will be unhappy with your moderation at some point. Inevitably.

In this particular case, it adds to the problem that naturally if you ask one side of a dispute whether they think it’s fair or not, they might be sliiiiiiightly biased…

Censorships on Lemmy is rampant and borderline oppressive.

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These non-experts declaring themselves the arbiters of truth is an embarrassment for the platform and need to be dealt with before it gets abandoned.

Luckily then they’re not the “arbiters of truth” for the platform, eh? Just for the instance they own themselves. You are free to disagree with them, and not go to their garden parties any more. Doesn’t change that it’s their garden, and their party.

in flagrant opposition to Lemmy’s ENTIRE PURPOSE

Hrm… no. I tried, and nothing about the Lemmy site says that instance owners aren’t free to moderate their sites as they see fit. In fact that they can is cited as a benefit of the system, since everyone is also free to run their own instance.

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Look, I don’t even disagree, but no need to make shit up to call admins out for. The subject matter of the topic is enough to call them out for if you’re so inclined.

In Chip and Dale 2022, they explicitly refer to the “upgrade” to 3D rendering from the old painted style (like plastic surgery to them), so I assume they are fully aware of their art style.

This is smart. As pi is a non-repeating, you can even at some point start showing just the “current” digits if it ever gets too much, and will always be able to find a finite length of digits that does not match a previously user version number.

I mean it has fuck all hype except the tiniest nichey audiences, so I guess that worked out.