Yeah, if you need help we’re there for you

Imagine posting this and thinking you are the intellectual in a dialog

I think you’re right. I spend way less time here than on reddit, because the content just sucks in comparison. And I don’t need to waste my time explaining to someone from hexbear why they are completely lost

The idea that they would begin to ask a question and I’d say “well thanks for your time but we’re done here” is legitimately hilarious.

Lmao I did never say that. You can ask questions but I cannot tell you about confidential information, e.g. the exact budget. After all you could just be someone sent from a competitor.

Something you probably should know as a manager.

That’s how we get pay inequity and ensure that workers’ power is diminished.

Ehm no, as a manager you can circumvent that very easily by just paying people the same amount or offering the same amount at least.

Maybe you’re hiring for extremely entry level positions (like…cashier) or something where the job is extremely well defined and you’re looking for a pair of hands to do a job but I want to hire the kind of people who ask these questions.

That is a very euphemistic way to describe a lack of roles and responsibilities within your company. That is something I would avoid like the plague.

I already answered that in my other posts.

I am the interviewer, I ask the questions. I always ask that question because it is required information for me within the hiring process. I need to make sure your expectation is in my budget.

I don’t need to make the process unnecessary complicated by engaging in you not telling me.

If you won’t tell me I’ll either give you the minimum or ask you to leave because I really don’t want to deal with people that make things unnecessarily complicated

You are interviewing and the interviewer usually asks the questions. After all the interviewer already has a job and you are supposedly looking for one. In this scenario you are always operating at a disadvantage, because I know the budget and you don’t.

You are not obligated to provide a number by law or anything, but if I ask for one and you go “no you” that is just… Weird and unprofessional.

I’ll end the discussion here though and wish you all the best with your future negotiations. I just wanted to provide a counter point from the perspective of an IT manager.

I would argue that experienced quality - or even serviceable - IT is the absolute minority, to begin with.

It is, but the point still stands that you need to be extremely sought after to make it work WITHIN IT.

If you’re applying for a CISO position and have 20 yrs experience it might work. That’s the level we’re talking about.

If you’re a sysadmin and are applying for management of 50 windows clients you’ll be out the door with that kind of negotiation.

IT professionals may lose the current opportunity by negotiating, but their next opportunity isn’t (statistically) far in the future.

In my opinion the vast majority of interviewers will not take shit like that unless you’re extremely qualified and money probably wouldn’t be an issue to begin with.

I’ve conducted interviews in multiple countries in several continents.

If it works for you keep going of course. I just don’t see that to be realistic or viable advice for most people reading here.

It doesn’t unless you’re part of the absolute minority even in IT. You need to be really qualified for this.

I also again want to emphasize that not giving your expectation is not the same as negotiating hard.

Your run off the mill network guy or admin will not have success with this.

Source: Work in IT and manage people

I have never been an interviewer or interviewee where you are not supposed to give a number.

Of course they try to low ball you. You counter act by giving a number that allows you to haggle. That is how negotiation works.

You’re not negotiating by refusing to give a number. At this point you denied the negotiation that was started by me asking for your expectation.

Yeah, exactly. People upvoted this take that won’t work for 99.9999% of people lol

As a manager that contest would be ended instantly and I’d tell you to give me a number or get out

So, what happens then?